The Hirschy Newsletter

for descendants of Philip and Julianne (Frey) Hirschy
January 1998, No. 17

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WANTED
Elsie Rigdon, 26620 Plyers #2, Lutz, FL 33549
would like to obtain a copy of a photo of Emil
Alfred Sprunger. son of Simeon who married
Matilda Hirschy, 3.6.1.

AN IMPROMPTU VISIT
Helen Fretz
  Ten Grandchildren of 4.5 Samuel B. and
Christian (Luginbill) Hirschy met for an informal
noon meal at Richard's Restaurant in Decatur,
Indiana on October 30. Kenneth made the
arrangements when he learned that his cousin
Barbara Patrick and her husband John from
Sevierville, Tennessee were in the community. A
total of eleven first cousins were present with
their spouses.
  Present for the occasion in addition to Kenneth
and the Patricks were: Clinton and Genevieve
Leightner of Pandora, OH, Mildred Stahley of
Berne: Herman and Betty Neuen of Ft. Wayne,
Mary (wife of Chalky) Winteregg, Decatur,
Christine and Emerson Moser, Elwood; Helen
and J. Herbert Fretz, Goshen; Kenneth Hirschy
Jr.. Auburn; Helen and Harry Grossnickle.
Wabash; and Ruthanna Bubp, Portland.
  David L. Habegger was in Europe so could not
attend.

OBITUARIES
  1.10.3.4 Vera M. (Wanner) Kistler died
Dec. 7, 1997 at Lima Memorial Hospital, Lima,
Ohio. She was born November 29, 1926, Berne,
to Ezra and Elata (Winteregg) Wanner. She
married Norman S. Kistler, Feb. 5, 1948 who
survives.
  Vera was a pianist with the Living Word Church
for 23 years. Her husband was the founding
minister.
  Funeral services were held in the Lima Baptist
Temple, Lima, Ohio. Burial was in Memorial Park Mausoleum.

  2.6.3.4.1 Connie (Radebaugh) Adleman of
Eaton Rapids, Michigan died Aug. 6. 1997 at the

University of Michigan Hospital, Ann Arbor. She
was a Teacher in the Dimondale Elementary
School for 24 years. Principal James Cooper said
Adleman was a mothering figure in the school.
"She was a sensitive,warm person. The kids in
her class and the parents loved her" "People
would just run up and hug her. She loved getting
hugs and giving them."
  She fought cancer for one and a half years and
won, only to be taken by a series of strokes.
Surviving her are her husband of five years. Floyd
Adleman; two sons. Steven (Lisa) Hilty of
Haslett, Michigan, Mark (Leah) Hilty of Dayton,
Ohio, and her parents Byron and Mildred
Radebaugh of De Kalb. IL.

  4.8.4.4 Herman Odel Cook died Thanksgiving
Day, Nov. 27, 1997 at home. He was 83 years
old. As a cabinet maker he worked at Berne
Lumber Co. for 25 years. He also worked for
Berne Overall Co. for 52 years. He helped
maintain the Church Shut-In Home, the sound
system that carried the church services to those
unable to attend. His wife Luetta Sprunger died
Sept. 14, 1992. Surviving are a daughter, Bonnie
Flueckiger of Berne, his oldest sister Frances
Bailey, and his youngest sister Elnora Langham,
all of Berne. He has three grandchildren and three
great-grandchildren. His funeral was held in the
First Mennonite Church on Sunday afternoon.
He was buried in the M.R.E. Cemetery.

LETTERS   Gary Haarer 5.10.2.3.3, Paradise Valley, AZ.
"Hello from Arizona! My wife Jennifer and I are
newsletter subscribers. We have lived in Arizona
since 1975. Our three children are all in their
twenties. Our oldest daughter, Serena, started her
own business this year--SGH Consulting. She has
both her MBA and CPA. Our son Quincy works
for Caruso, Turley and Scott in Phoenix as a
structural engineer in training. He enjoys fine
tuning blueprints for both commercial and
residential buildings. Our son Chad just started
medical school this fall at New York Medical
College in New York."


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BOOK AWARD
  Maplewood Roots, the history of
Maplewood Mennonite Church of Fort Wayne,
won an award from the Indiana State Religious
History Association. The book, edited by David L,
Habegger, was chosen as the best book written by
a non-professional from 1995 to 1997 among
churches with fewer than 500 members. It was
written to commemorate Maplewood's 35th
anniversary.

TELLING THE PAIN
  Though the Apostle Paul addressed the followers
of Christ as "Saints". his letters paint a picture of
very fallible people. They were susceptible to all
types of failings. And so are we and our ancestors.
  It is not easy to tell of the failings of our forebears.
There is a temptation to leave that part of
the picture covered. Once, when my mother was
talking to a sister and brother, I asked a question
about some failing of a relative. There was an
embarrassing silence for a brief time, then my
mother said, "We have a saying, 'Don't talk about
the dead.'" So the story was never told. If I had
asked them separately, they might have been willing
to tell me, But they did not want to do it in front of others - who probably knew all about it.
  This newsletter begins the story of the various
families. It will tell both the brighter and the darker
stories for the insight this will give into the lives of
our relatives.

The Life and Family of 1. Johann Hirschy   Johannes (or John) Hirschy, the oldest of the
Hirschy children arrived in Adams County on
August 28, 1845. Quite a few Amish and
Mennonites had come to this area from Wayne
Co., Ohio before he did, and they probably gave a
positive report on the forested land that was
available for a modest sum. He was the first of the
family to come to this area.
  At 23 years of age he had fulfilled his obligations
to his step-father Christian Horn, who would have
received a major portion of his wages up until the
time he was 21. He thus would have brought with
him whatever wages he had been able to save for
two and a half years.
  Julianna, John's mother, had died in March

1839 so he had his brothers and sisters to think
about and they were all working for their
livelihood with various families.
  Joan would not have earned sufficient cash to
purchase land. So that had to wait until after he
married Barbara Stauffer on April 16. 1847.
He purchased 80 acres in Hartford Township
on May 5 1847. This land is located 3 miles
straight west of Berne.
  Barbara was Mennonite while John was
Amish. It would be interesting to know if he
had worked for her father. or just how he
became acquainted with her. The differences
between the Amish and Mennonites were not
very great in those days, and we today would
have had a hard time telling the difference. For
a time John must have participated in the life of
the Mennonite church as Samuel Lehman. who
recorded all Mennonite families in the area, had
a sheet for this family. John must have felt more
closely tied to the Amish church for none of the
family united with the Baumgartner Mennonite
church, nor the Berne Mennonite church that
developed in the 1850s.
  When the Amish church experienced a
division in 1865. John and Barbara and their
children followed their Bishop, Henry Egly into
what was to become the Defenseless
Mennonite Church. (The name is a translation
of the German, Wehrlosig Mennoniten
Gemeinde. This can be translated the
nonresistant Mennonite Church - meaning they
would not participate in warfare. The name
comes from Jesus' injunction not to resist one
who is evil. Matt. 5:39.)
  Barbara, John's wife, had come to Adams
county from Wayne Co., Ohio with her parents
arriving in Monroe township, Adams County
on March 10, 1827. She was 13 years of age.
She had just turned 20 when she married on
April 16, 1847. Her obituary reports that
",..with their own hands they cleared the
ground of trees and built a home where she
lived for 67 years," Their first home would have
been a simple log cabin. Then in a few years
they erected the home that is still standing on
the farm they developed. That house is also
built of logs and the windows on the east side
of the house have the original glass. The original
roof of the house was torn off by a tornado and
the present one was then put on.


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  A little over a year and three months after their
marriage Barbara gave birth to her first child,
Christian. In a period of 25 years she gave birth
to 13 children. She was 48 years old when
Rebecca was born. She must have been a strong
healthy person for she lived 20 years beyond her
husband, and died at age 89 years, 7 months and 18 days.
  John Hirschy lived to the age of 73 years and 8
days. That was a long life for he died in 1894
after a life of hard work as a farmer. Yet of his
thirteen children eight lived longer than he. His
oldest son. Christian, lived 102 and when he died
on Dec. 1. 1910. he was the oldest person in
Adams County. This was a hearty, healthy family.
  Only one of their children died in childhood,
That was No. 12 Lovina, who lived just 10
years. We have no information as to the cause of
her death.
  Ephrain Hirschy, the 11th child, died of cancer
of the liver at the age of 42. He, with his pregnant
wife Lucy Hannah Graber and six children, had
gone to the panhandle of Oklahoma in 1906
where they purchased a farm. Only three years
later he became ill with the cancer so sold the
farm and returned to Adams Co. and died shortly
afterwards. He and Lucy had a son and daughter
born in Oklahoma.
  The third child, Barbara Hirschy, only lived to
the age of 46. Barbara had no children of her
own, but she and her husband, Peter M. Moser
raised two children, Salome Stetler and Catherine
McBride. I wonder where these children came
from.
  Catherine, the 6th child, lived to the age of 63.
She had a sad life in that her marriage broke up
and her children had difficult lives. Her first child
died at age 9, and her 5th child lived only 8
months. Her second child was raised by her aunt
and uncle and her 4th child went west and was
killed in a lumber camp when a tree fell on him.
  The rest of John and Barbara's children all lived
more than 70 years.

The Life of 1.1 Christian Hirschy
Christian Hirschy, born Feb 27, 1845, died
Nov. 9, 1928 has the distinction of living longer
than any other Hirschy in our extended family. He
reached the age of 102 years. 3 months and 28
days. Though he became quite wealthy, he
remained a quiet, simple person. reflecting his
conservative. rural upbringing.

He married Catharine Schindler on Mar. 23,
1879 when he was 31 years of age. To them
were born four children. The first, Lavina, lived
only a month. A year after the first child was
born, Rosa was born. She lived to age 71
and never married.
  The third child was Rachel. She lived to be 91
years of age. She married Walter Henry Lugibihl
who served as a minister in the Missionary
Church for 55 years. They had two children;
Robert and Dorothy. Walter wrote a history of
The Missionary Church Association.
  The fourth child was son John C. Hirschy. John
C. married Amanda N. Egly, a grand-daughter of
Bishop Henry Egly. They had no children.
  Growing up in the Defenseless Mennonite
Church, Christian became a member of The
Missionary Church some time after its formation
on August 29. 1898. When this church organized
the Fort Wayne Bible Institute in 1904, Chris
Hirschy (as he was called) was placed on the
building committee. His only living grandchild,
Dorothy Lugibihl Lehman, wrote the following
about her Grandfather. "Every summer, as long as
he lived, he attended the Convention of The
Missionary Church Association in Fort Wayne.
When the offering was taken he delighted in
putting in a $100 dollar bill. He got great pleasure
in hearing during the next service how wonderful
the offering was because of the $100 bill some
unknown person had put in. He was a great giver.
Though he was wealthy. he lived simply. For
breakfast he ate chicken feet with a sauce he
made, potatoes and soft boiled eggs."
  His obituary states. "Mr. Hirschy had been
bedfast five weeks after a very active life. He was
in a coma the last 24 hours before his death and
had failed rapidly the last few days. He fell from a
chair a number of weeks ago and this seemed to
take much of the vigor out of him. He had been
unable to come to the table for several weeks and
had taken little nourishment for some time.
  Until a few weeks ago he came uptown. walking
unaided. He spent considerable time in his garden
the past summer and was never as happy as when
he was engaged in work. His eyesight was
surprisingly good for a person his age up to two
years ago and he spent much time in reading. He
was always interested in current events."
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and vacations until I was married in 1941 were
spent with my grandparents in Berne. (Grandma
died when I was eight.) My life has been blessed
by my godly heritage and my only desire is to serve
our Lord Jesus Christ as my ancestors did." She
married Gaylord Lehman and they have three
children: Joy, Rebeque and Jon (Not Jonathan as
given in the Genealogy). These three children are
the only great grandchildren of Christian. Dorothy
has been teaching music at Midwestern Baptist
College in Bloomfield Hills. MI for 26 years.
Dorothy possesses the New Testament that
belonged to her Great Great Grandmother,
Julianna Frey Hirschy. The inscription in this
Testament is shown on page 23 of the Hirschy
Genealogy
.

The Life of 1.2 Mary Hirschy Biberstein
  Mary (Maria) Hirschy, the second child of John
and Barbara Hirschy, was born Sept. 5, 1849. At
age 19 she married John Biberstein on Mar 5,
1868. John, the son of Abraham Biberstein and
Catherine Klophenstein, was the oldest of eleven
children. Born in Wayne County, Ohio Jun. 26,
1847 the family came to Adams County around
August of that year.
  To Mary and John were born six children:
Amos, Levi, Emma, Adam, Samuel and Lavina.
Little is known of the first two children as they
moved away from Adams County. Emma's
children are widely scattered as well. Adam lived
in Adams Co., and fathered eleven children. Their
descendants continue to live in the area. Eva lived
in Pontiac. Illinois and had a family. Samuel
remained single, and Lavina though married had
no children.
  While Christian Hirschy's life was relatively
serene, his sister Mary's was turbulent by contrast.
Both she and her husband were members of the
Defenseless Mennonite Church led by Bishop
Henry Egly, but their marriage was troubled. We
do not know just when it began but the story
begins to unfold.
  The records kept by Minister Egly give us basic
information. He began a history of his life on April
27, 1887. Then for two years, 1888-1889 Egly
kept a diary that was translated by his grand-
daughter, Amanda (Mrs. Ben) Sprunger. A third
source is a Church Record kept by Christian Egly,
Henry's son, that covers the years 1881-1891.

  In 1881 Minister Egly wrote "This year until
July 1887 we had the deepest awakenings that
we have had in 20 years. In all my experiences
in these 30 years the prayer meetings that we
together as brothers and sisters had was a help
to us. We were very much troubled over a
heavy temptation that came over us through
the rebellious Biberstine family."
  Egly had just written about a problem with
John's brother Jacob, and then wrote that John
Biberstein had been set back from the church in
1883. To be "set back" means to be placed
under the discipline of the church and to be
refused communion. Within the Amish church
this also meant that members of the family were
not to eat at the same table with the person
under discipline.
  We do not know what was happening in the
Biberstein family but Christian Egly (a son of
Henry and later a minister) wrote on July 26,
1886 "We had a meeting to take counsel about
what to do about members that were indifferent
whether to keep them in church or not. Aug. 2
we had another meeting, then Jacob Sprunger,
Abraham Biberstein and Katie Biberstein were
put out of church."
  There were serious problems between John
and Mary - serious enough for the marriage to
end in divorce in 1887. John was under
discipline so had been out of the church for
nearly three years, but Mary was kept in
the church.
  Divorce at that time was very rare among the
Amish and Mennonites, and in Egly's
congregation this may have been the first divorce
among the membership. So it was a very serious
problem for the leadership. Egly saw it as
involving more than just the couple. He wrote
about it as follows: "Another matter came up
about John Hirschy's. It was hard for them to
realize how far they had gone wrong in giving
their children in marriage. We learned that in
such difficult matters between man and wife, or
between families, or between members where
they are hard against each other that both parties
should be set back that they should not have
Communion with the Church until those parties can
have peace together. We missed what we
should have done with D. Kaufman's and John
Hirschy's, and John Biberstein and his wife. If
we had treated them all the same and not kept
one side in communion with the church in these
cases we would not now have the trouble in the


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church with that law suit and maybe the children
of brother D. Kaufman's would not have gone so
far out of the way."
  He was, of course, speaking from hind sight.
When John and Mary were married they were
both members of the church. So why should
Mary's parents have protested? The Daniel
Kauffman family had brought charges against
John Hirschy in 1883 and were subsequently
disciplined - but not the Hirschys.
  Henry Egly refers to a suit brought by John
Biberstein. This occurred in June 1887. about the
time of John's divorce action. John hired attorney
Frances Merryman and lodged his complaint.
The records of Adams Circuit Court for August
1887 has the lengthy complaint in which one
sentence takes up a page and a half with the
following spellings,
  John Biberstine, the Plaintiff complained that
Henry Egly, John Hirschi, Barbara Hirschi, Peter
M. Moser and Barbara Moser, on the 1st day of
June 1886 and for a long time prior had
"unlawfully, wrongfully, and secretly conspired
together to injure and destroy his happiness." He
charged they had sought "to injure him and to
deprive him of the comfort, society, and
assistance of his wife" by inducing her "to cease
eating at the same table with him" and "to cease
sleeping with him in the same bed" and "to cease
cohabiting with him as his wife". John charged
that Mary Biberstine. as a member of the same
Church as the Defendants, was very devoted to
the Church teachings. And being a person who
was very easily influenced by the Minister and by
the members, especially those members who
were her near relatives. "on the said day of June
1886 and at divers other times both before and
after said date while the Plaintiff and said Mary
were living happily together" did then and there
wrongfully and maliciously "talk to her and tell her
that her said Husband the Plaintiff herein was not
a Christian man, and that he was not a member of
the Church and was therefore a child of the Devil
and that she was a christian woman and belonged
to the Church and that she was therefore a child
of the Lord, and that she was not doing the part
of a Christian woman if she continued to live and
sleep with and cohabit with her husband and eat
with him at the same table, and that it was against
the rules of the church so to do."

  He acknowledged that he "was not now and
was not at the time of the grievances" a member of the Church to which his wife Mary and the
Defendants belonged. Thus. he charged, they
took "advantage of her weaknesses" by "
frequently, unlawfully and maliciously" talking,
with and persuading her to do as they said.
  From that time on Mary refused "to either eat at
the same table and to sleep with him". She
refused "to cohabit with him as husband and wife,
and to reason thereof these Defendants have won
from him the love and affection of his said wife,
and have destroyed the comfort and happiness of
the Plaintiff. and have deprived him of the society
and assistance of his said wife Mary, all without
the privity or consent of this Plaintiff and all to his
damage in the sum of Three Thousand Dollars."
  John Biberstine in his complaint says he was not
a member of the church when placed under
discipline. So he must not have been attending for
some time prior to his divorce and prior to the
time he was put out of the church.
  The Defendants in the case placed the following
Demurrer to the Complaint, "Comes now the
defendants and demur, separately and severally to
plaintiffs complaint and say that the complaint
does not state facts sufficient to constitute a cause
of action against them, or either of them."
  Christian Egly did not record anything about the
suit in his diary.
  The trial was heard on the second Monday of
August, 1887. There are no records of this
meeting but it appears the Judge decided against
John. So John asked for a new trial in which he
dropped the charge of conspiracy.
  The trial before a Jury was held Jan. 30, 31,
and Feb. 1. 1888. In his diary Henry Egly simply
wrote, "Jan. 30 I was at Decatur. We were called
by court to appear because of John Biberstein.
Jan. 31. Jacob Schenbeck, I, and others were
called for the same cause. We stayed overnight
two times. Lodging and board $2.00, Feb. 1
Was in Decatur. Feb. 2 Was home again.'
  John Biberstein asked the judge to give written
instructions to the jury and these are part of the
record.
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is a difference in what can be charged against
parents from other persons. He wrote. "If the
interference of the Parents of the wife is wholly
without cause and is a mere voluntary intrusion
they ought to be held to liability by the same rule
of law that another person is. If however the
interference is by the parents of the wife on an
assumption that the wife is ill treated to an extent
that justifies her in withdrawing from her
husbands society and control it may reasonably
be presumed that they have acted with commendable motives and a clear case of want
of justification may be justly required to be shown
before they should be held responsible."
  He went on to say, "So far as the other three
Defendants are concerned if they or either of
them wrongfully interfered in the affairs of the
Plaintiffs family and by persuasion or arguments
of any kind wrongfully induced the wife to
withdraw her society and her marital duties from
her husband they are liable to him in damages and
for the injuries done, So also are the father and
mother if they also without cause wantonly
interfered in his affairs and took part in so
inducing the wife to act to the injury of her
husband contrary to her marital duties."
  At the end of the trial the jury brought this
verdict: "We the jury find for the Defendants -
Henry Egly, John Hirschi, Barbara Hirschi. Peter
M. Moser. Barbara Moser, Not Guilty. William
T. Waggoner, Foreman."
  Henry Egly records, "The law suit cost the
church, our defender, $175, the court $173;
Rudolph Lehman $57. John Biberstine would
have to pay $250." To settle the costs, "The
Hirschy family paid $175 and John Biberstine
paid $250 and $21 witness money. Sister Maria
Biberstine paid $200 and John Biberstine $73,
besides the ride to Decatur and our board cost
which was about $21."
  Following the trial it appears the persons who
won the suit decided to go the second mile. In a
document signed by John Biberstein we read the
following: "In consideration of the sum of Two
Hundred and fifty, dollars to me in hand paid by
John Hirschy, Henry Egly Sr., and Peter M. Moser. I
John Biberstein hereby release them
from all demands, claims, damages and actions
which I now have or ever had on account of
having the affection of my wife alienated by the
above named John Hirschy, Henry Egly Sr., and
Peter Moser as was alleged by me in a
complaint filed in the Adams Circuit Court. In
Witness Whereof I hereonto set my hand this
27th day of February, 1888. Johannes Biberstein.
Signed and acknowledged in our presence,
Rudolph Lehman. Joel Welty."
  In Egly's diary he records several visits with
John. Then on June 10, 1898 he wrote. "John
Biberstein asked to be accepted as a member in
church again." How was the church to deal with a
person who was divorced? If he was repentant,
should he not be received? Egly does not record
what action was taken.
  Part of the reason for wanting to be be back in
the church may have been John's interest in Sarah
Moser. He was married to her on Feb. 9. 1889.

PUBLICATION INFORMATION
  The Hirschy Newsletter is
published four times a year. Cost
is $5.00 for four issues..
  The Editor is David L. Habegger,
6929 Hillsboro Ct., Fort Wayne, IN
46835-1818
  If you have material you would
like to submit for publication,
send it to the editor.

For Your Consideration
  Peter J. Dyck, a retired Mennonite minister and
relief worker wrote the following in a devotional
for January 31, 1998.
  "It used to bother me that Exodus 20:5 talks
about children suffering for the sins of their
parents, even 'to the third and fourth generation.'
Today I realize this refers to what can happen to
the unfortunate children and the childrens children
of dysfunctional families. Without God's grace it
seems almost impossible to break out of that
destructive downward trend.
  "The good news Is that the reverse is also true.
The facts are well know that among the many
descendants of frontier preacher Jonathan
Edwards and his wife Sara, there were 13 college
presidents, 65 college professors, 100 lawyers,
30 judges, 66 physicians, 80 holders of public
offices such as United States senators, state
governors, vice-presidents. and others. So many
of them turned out to be what one author calls
'nation builders."'
  Taken from Rejoice a Mennonite publication.



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